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Written by Adam Bub   
Friday, 18 July 2008

wyd250.jpg Members of the GLBT community and a small contingent of World Youth Day pilgrims gathered to discuss gay youth and their place in the Catholic Church at a forum on Wednesday night.

Organised by Acceptance, the gay and lesbian Catholic support group, the event was attended by around 150 people who listened to a host of speakers address the question: “Is there a place for gay and lesbian Catholic youth in the Church?”

“To feel we even have to ask this question is hurtful and painful to say the least,” Paul Harris, Acceptance Co-Convenor, told the audience at the University of Technology, Sydney.
Harris highlighted that the recent controversy surrounding the forum had only strengthened the community’s support.

“The amount of support that Acceptance received from committed Catholics when the future of this forum was in the balance was overwhelming,” he said.

The forum went ahead outside of the official World Youth Day (WYD) program after its initial proposal was rejected by WYD organisers. The group’s second attempt, as part of the program with MAGIS, a Jesuit group, was quelled when WYD organisers forced MAGIS to withdraw their involvement.

A short play written by young playwright Jye Bryant was performed to the audience, detailing the obstacles a young man encounters when he comes out to his parents for the first time.

Speakers included Sue and Les Mico, the Catholic parents of two gay sons, and Father Donal Godfrey SJ, a Jesuit priest at the University of California, San Francisco.

Godfrey, who has extensive experience with GLBT Catholic communities, said that the nature of the Church is changing.

“More and more parishes are finding a place in their hearts, and at the tables, for those who happen to be gay and lesbian,” he said.

Sue Mico said that her children have reaffirmed to her what life is all about.

“To act justly, to love tenderly, and to walk humbly with my God,” she said.

“If it is that you are gay and you are Catholic, accept it as a gift from God. I feel privileged to be the mother of my three children.”

Other speakers included Dan Smith, a gay Catholic university student, and David Moutou, from GLBT youth service Twenty10.

“The experience of Twenty10, and a lot of research shows, that if there is not a place [for gay and lesbian youth in the Catholic Church], the cost is high and we all suffer,” Moutou said.

The panel of speakers engaged in discussion with audience members about the challenges young gays and lesbians face against a hostile church hierarchy of authority.

A WYD prayer was provided to audience members.

The forum was filmed on DVD, and can be purchased for $10 from Acceptance Sydney. For more information, email This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

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written by Brendan of Wollongong NSW , 25 July, 2008

John35, as an ex-Catholic gay man I note that there is a significant difference between acknowledging that "we are all sinful" versus persistently, deliberately and unrepentantly indulging in sin (which is what we gays and lesbians, according to the teachings of the Catholic Church, are doing each time we act upon our same-sex attraction -- even be that within an exclusive committed relationship).

The rules of the Church say homosexuality is "more or less ... an intrinsic moral evil" not to be approved of in any circumstance. The Church is not a democracy: the Catholic magisterium, not ordinary believers, make the rules.

However unpleasant the comments of John Vise are, they reflect reality as it currently stands. This should give due cause for compassionate Catholics to reflect deeply on their membership of that specific Church, given the inhumane rules it expects its followers to believe and obey.


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written by John35 , 25 July, 2008

In response to John Vise - On what basis are you claiming that participants in the forum are not practicing Catholics? You need to articulate that - the church actually teaches that homosexuality is to be accepted. But if your comments are based on the teaching that homosexual genital expression is forbidden, then you must also accept that anyone using contraception, or practicing any type of sex outside marriage are not following church teaching. Is this your point? Or are you merely condemning homosexuality?

I’m not saying that homosexual acts are sinful because each person faces God with their own conscience, but if you are claiming to be without sin, then you cannot be Catholic either - one of the conditions of being a Christian is to admit that we are sinful.


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written by Adam Bub , 21 July, 2008

In response to Gibbons in SF, thank you for pointing out the error - I apologise. The program I received from the forum actually referred to Godfrey as 'Executive Director of University Ministry at University of California San Francisco.'

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written by Janek , 21 July, 2008

I was at this forum, and I want to point out that John Vise makes several erroneous, misguided, and incorrect statements.
For starters, the forum was not exclusive for church-going Catholics, or gay people. There were a number of people who were there who are practicing Catholics. Thus, "[Their] people" is true, not everyone there was, but there was a large number of practicing Catholics.
The purpose of the forum wasn't "political grandstanding nonsense", but rather beginning and continuing a conversation to try and show that all people are welcome and accepted by the Church.
Yes, I am aware that the forum wasn't about how we should accept the Church's teachings. However, the forum was talking about how we, as gay Catholics, can reconcile our faith with our sexuality, and show that, yes, there is a place in the Church for all people.


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written by Mal , 20 July, 2008

You are right. Nobody is forcing you to accept the Church's teaching on homosexual sex. However, the official teaching is not necessarily correct. It is only the teaching of the group that happens to be in power at the moment.

Just as John Howard did not speak for Australia, neither does Joseph Ratzinger speak for the entire Catholic Church. He is only the temporary incumbent. So I was not prepared to give up being Australian when John Howard was Prime Minister. And I don't intend to give up Christianity because Ratzinger is Pope.

Howard's values are not Australia's values. Ratzinger's values are not the values of the Catholics in Australia.


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written by Gibbons in SF , 19 July, 2008

This article contains a factual error. Fr Donal Godfrey does not work at the University of California - he is Executive Director of University Ministry at the Jesuit University of San Francisco.

http://www.sanfrancisco-catholic.com/godfrey.htm


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written by John Vise , 18 July, 2008

These people aren't practicing Catholics. Seriously, we Catholics know better than this sort of political grandstanding nonsence.

If you don't want to be a Catholic - then just don't be. Nobody is forcing you to accept the Church's teaching on homosexual sex.




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